By Lynne Jamneck
Currently, Ellen Datlow is tied for winning the
most World Fantasy Awards in the organization's
history -- seven. With co-editor Terri Windling, she
has won the Bram Stoker Award for The Year's Best
Fantasy and Horror #13, has received multiple
Hugo Award nominations for Best Editor, and won
the Hugo Award for Best Editor in 2002. As fiction editor of Omni
Magazine and later Omni Online
from 1981 through 1998, she encouraged and helped develop a generation
of fiction writers, and in doing so published some of today's
biggest names in the Fantasy SF, and Horror genres. She has continued to
do so throughout her editorship of the webzine Event Horizon and
currently as fiction editor of SCIFI.COM's fiction area,
SCIFICTION.
Has Horror fiction gone underground to gain a new, established
identity in the aftermath of the Stephen King Machine? If one
takes into consideration that most bookstores are doing away with their
Horror sections, is the genre still a market in its own right?
I don't know if I would say it's gone
underground but more back to a place where it's mixed with
mainstream, science fiction, and fantasywhich is not necessarily a
bad thing. As far as
short horror fiction
goes, horror seems to have emerged from the underground and is
exploding into the world at large. There are more quality horror stories
being published in and out of genre than ever before. This year
I've found excellent horror fiction in
Esquire
and
The New Yorker,
as well as in mixed-genre publications such as
McSweeney's Mammoth Treasury of Thrilling Tales
,
Polyphony
,
Trampoline
,
The Third Alternative
,
The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction
, and in many mixed-genre collections by Graham Joyce, M. John
Harrison, Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, Dale Bailey, and others. I've never
been convinced that a specific horror section is important to the field.
Horror started out in the mainstream/lit sections and I'm delighted
that it's back there. When my ghost story anthology,
The Dark
, came out in October, I went to a local Barnes and Noble and
discovered it in the "New Fiction Books" sectionI
couldn't ask for more. The readers who follow my editing work will
certainly find the books and so will new readers who wouldn't
necessarily look in a horror section.
Is short fiction still the best way for an aspiring writer to
break into the field? Will the proliferation of online publishing
(and everyone with an Internet connection able to self-publish) have a
negative affect on print publications?
I think it's still easier for a writer to publish
short fiction than novels so in that sense yes. I also believe that
honing one's writing by writing short stories is an excellent
education in discipline and experimentation. As long as webzines and
print magazines have editors who edit and who make quality choices in
what they publish, the ones that don't and that publish schlock
won't survive. There are more quality small press literary sf/f/h
magazines right now than ever before. They're published by young
writers and editors who love and respect writing. I'm thinking of
magazines like
Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet
,
Say·is that a·
,
Flytrap
,
Electric Velocipede,
Rapid Transit
,
Trunk Stories
,
Full Unit Hookup
. They may not last more than a few issues and they may not
appeal to all readers but what they have in common is passion, ambition,
and taste. And there are excellent online publications such as
Fantastic Metropolis
,
Infinite Matrix
,
Strange Horizons
. My point is that in sf/f there are all these consistently
excellent small press publications on and off lineI'm not
counting the big markets like my own,
SCIFICTION
,
Asimov's
,
Realms of Fantasy
,
F&SF
, etc. There is no excuse for short horror fiction of all types
not to have a similar boom. The most consistently literate horror
magazines that I read are
All Hallows, Cemetery Dance,
and
Dark Horizons
. And I personally, rarely find the stories in
Cemetery Dance
horrific. There are a handful of other horror magazines that
are less consistent. There are also excellent magazines that while not
specializing in horror fiction, publish a lot of it:
Interzone
,
CrimeWave
,
The Third Alternative
,
On Spec
,
Aurealis
. these are English, Canadian, and Australian
magazines.
In your opinion, what are some of he most powerful and
recurring themes used in contemporary Horror fiction? Have these
changed much in the last twenty years?
Interestingly, I've been thinking about this a lot as
I finish up my reading and make my choices for inclusion in
Year's Best Fantasy & Horror #17
. This year I've seen a large number of excellent horror
stories about children. I'm not talking "child abuse" or
"children in jeopardy" stories, although there are some of
those, of course, but of stories with children being an important part
of the plot. At least five of the stories I've chosen deal with
children.
Also, I see a lot more stories about death and ghost stories.
Which Editors have you learned the most from, and how has this
influenced your own editing technique?
Judith Merril was extremely influential on me as an editor
because of her Catholic taste in choosing fiction for her Year's Best
SF seriesÑshe chose stories by mainstream writers and from mainstream
publications in addition to those published by genre magazines and
anthologies. I think it's obvious from what I publish in my original and
reprint anthologies and in OMNI, on Event Horizon, and on SCIFICTION how
Merril has influenced me.
Maxwell Perkins, the editor of Hemingway and Fitzgerald
influenced me with his hands-on approach to the text. Going through the
process
of editing with an author is as important as choosing the
material. A good editor helps the writer communicate what that writer
intends. I'm a working editor who cares very much about words and
how they're used. In addition to substantive editing (that is
making sure the overall story works, the characters are consistent, the
structure works, etc) I line edit every (originalnot the reprints)
story that I publish. Only then does the story go to a copy editor and
then proofreader.
Give us your five best Horror films of the last decadeand
why? Are there any books/stories you personally would like to see
developed into either a film or TV series?
I think most horror films suck and I rarely go to them.
But if I
have
to name a few good ones I'll name:
Ringu
and
The Ring
liked them equally. Both versions were genuinely scary --
the strange young woman at the center of the story is pitiable as
well as monstrous.
The Blair Witch Project
there's lots of backlash against it now but the marketing
that was used made the movie all the more creepy. This is one that
didn't really affect me until I tried to go to sleep the night I
saw it. Images of the sticks and the last scene stayed with me longer
than with most horror movies.
The Others
good acting, nice atmosphere.
28 Days
For once, I cared about the characters
Audition
creepy, sometimes cringe-making Japanese movie about a very
nutty, innocent-looking young woman and her relationship to a hapless
widower.
I would never want anything that I love to be made into a film
or TV seriesit would just be ruined. There are only a few
exceptions of books that have been made into even better (or at least as
good) movies:
Bladerunner
The Green Mile
Carrie
Lord of the Rings
Trilogy
Interzone
recently changed from a monthly to a bi-monthly magazine.
Nobody ever seems sure about the stability and long-term potential
of short fiction magazines these days. Taking into account that
the above mentioned is one of the longest running publications around,
what do you attribute this change in frequency to? Financial?
Surely, it cannot be a lack of viable material?
Interzone
lost its government grant a year or two ago and David Pringle
does what he can to keep the magazine alive. Everyone reading this
subscribe, dammit!!!
Are there any particular countries beside the US and UK that
you've noticed writers submitting fiction from? There's
a growing move amongst South African Speculative writers, for instance,
to get their material out into the international market.
Australia and Canada mostly. I don't believe
I've received more than one or two stories from any place else.
Occasionally a story from the Netherlands. I've received a few
older, previously untranslated submissions by a Cuban writer.
There's no excuse for English language writers not to send
their work out to the US and UK markets. It's much more
understandable that we rarely see Japanese, Indian, European, or Latin
American submissions because it's costly to translate and most
editors are not fluent enough in other languages to judge a foreign
submission.
Did the coming and going of the new millennium have any
significant influence on themes explored in fiction? At one
point, it almost seemed as if psychological horror eclipsed the
popularity of the good-old-fashioned monster tale.
The serial killer became the monster of the 90s. I
don't know exactly what caused the increase of psychological horror
in that decade but luckily, the trend seems to have subsided into an
almost cozy routine.
You recently edited an anthology of ghost stories:
The Dark: New Ghost Stories.
Is the ghost story making a comeback? Why has it been
absent from view for such a long time?
I'm delighted to see that the ghost story has indeed
made a strong comeback. Although it never went completely away it just
wasn't noticed as much. I suspect that
The Sixth Sense
and
The Blair Witch Project
brought the idea of the ghost story back into the public
consciousness.
I wrote the proposal for
The Dark
in early 1998 and it took my agent and me three years to sell
it. And currently many submissions for
SCIFICTION
are about death and dying and ghosts. I hear the same from
Gordon Van Gelder, editor of
The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.
Is it true that you play the piano?
It's true that I
used
to play the piano. I haven't played in many years. I
studied classical piano for about seven years as a child and learned to
read music well-enough, but never had an "ear" for it. I
hated practicing scales (doesn't every kid?) but enjoyed playing.
We had a beautiful upright piano that was finally sold by my
parents (it hadn't been played in quite awhile) a few years ago.
If Fantasy is about questioning 'What is Real', and SF
'What is Human' what is the demand behind Horror
fiction?
Fantasy is not
just
about questioning what is real. That's only one tiny
subgenre of fantasy. Fantasy is about magic and the
strangefinding it everywherein a land far away or just around
the corner.
And sf is very much more than about "what is human?"
It's about how humans are going to evolve, and how are we going to
deal with the technological and biological marvels and disasters we
humans continually create. For example, when computers were first
described in early sf they were envisioned as taking up entire rooms.
How wondrous that they are now small enough to fit in one hand.
Negatively, technology has helped create holes in the ozone layer,
threatened to wipe out many animal and plant species around the world,
and enabled humankind to create bigger and better weapons to kill one
another.
I suppose horror is ultimately dealing with lossof self and
of loved ones. Dealing with pain and death and other things that scare
humans. And or course, there is plenty of horrific sf such as
Who Goes There?
, the novella written by John W. Campbell that was adapted into
the original and remake of
The Thing, The Fly,
originally written by George Langelaan, H.G. Wells'
T
he Island of Doctor Moreau,
Alien,
Nevile Shute's
On the Beach,
and many other examples.
And speaking of SFit doesn't seem to matter what
decade/timeframe we're in, people are seemingly always convinced
that the genre is taking a dive. How do you respond to
this?
It's all bullshit. I get tired of those critics who
want
their
genre to remain faithful to its pulp roots. And I get
really
tired of new editors who have to put down what exists in order
to build up their own supposedly edgier, magazines, 'zines, or
anthologies.
I generally see sf from the perspective of short fiction and
right now I'm delighted by what I'm reading in, and on the
edges of the field. I see an influx of new writers who are
experimenting with voice and style and I see more established writers
maturing into brilliance, as they continue to delve into the political,
economic, and scientific issues crucial to our future. I'm very
optimistic about the future of short fiction (I can't really judge
the novel area).
Are there any new trends in SFstylistically or
thematicallythat you've noticed cropping up more?
A willingness by writers to cross genres and move easily
between sf/f/h and mainstream. Some of our best writers do this: Kelly
Link, Elizabeth Hand, James Blaylock, Lucius Shepard, John Kessel, Dale
Bailey, Pat Cadigan, Graham Joyce, Michael Swanwick, Kim Newman, Paul
McAuley, Nicholas Royle, M. John Harrison, Richard Bowes, Karen Joy
Fowler, Carol Emshwiller, Terry Bisson, Jeffrey Ford, and so many
others.
How do you juggle your job as editor of SCIFICTION with editing
the yearly print anthologies? What do editors do to relax?
Badly. I'm always burnt out on the
Year's Best Fantasy and Horror
I switch back and forth between my reading manuscripts and
reading published stories, or maybe take a break by responding to this
interview or checking various bulletin boards online. I just need to
focus on the things that take priority at any given time. If I have a
deadline then that comes first.
I work from home so if I really want to get away from the various jobs,
I have to go out. I go meet friends for meals or coffee, go to movies.
Go away on trips. When I'm home I'm working and online -- that's just
how
it is.
Who are some of your favorite authors, and why?
Jeffrey Ford because I never know what he's going to write next. He can
write marvelous horror stories like "The Trentino Kid" and "A Night in
the Tropics" and sf like "The Empire of Ice Cream" and each has a
different voice. He also captures where he grew up accurately and
beautifully.
Kelly Link for the same reason. For her ability to write twists and
mazes that eventually get to where they're going such as in "Lull." For
writing about Nancy Drew, a book
series character I loved as a girl.
Jonathan Carroll for his imagination and for his ability to make me love
his characters, flaws and all (I'm his editor at Tor). Because I love
his dogs.
William Gibson‹-I've loved everything he's ever written and I think
Pattern Recognition is his best yet‹-he writes gorgeously and
I enjoy
what he writes about.
Elizabeth Hand because I think her stories are passionate and I get lost
in them. I'm always eager to read the next one (I wish she wrote
faster).
You wake up one morning and little green men have REALLY invaded
the Earth.
(Or gray ones‹color is irrelevant and resistance is futile) How do you
think they'll react to our literary interpretations of them?
If they have any sense of humor they'll laugh their heads off.
Where do you see the Internet going in the next 15 to 20 years?
Will print mediums prevail? Will the situation become
reversed‹Internet publishing the norm and print editions its inferior
twin?
I have no idea but I'm interested in finding out. [smile] Who would
have thought it'd take off the way it has? The Internet has already made
a difference in how people buy books. Online bookstores have made it
unnecessary for readers to go to brick and mortar bookstores. When I
wanted to buy the UK edition of one of the Harry Potter series rather
than the Americanized version, I merely ordered the book from amazon.uk.
I suspect so-called "independent bookstores" (I'm not talking about
genre specialty shops) will go the way of the dodo and frankly, it
wouldn't upset me all that much. It's the large, chain bookstores like
Barnes & Noble and Borders that carry my books, not the snotty little
literary bookstores around town.
Print's certainly not going to go away. And Internet
publishing will
never be the norm until people realize that "publishing" isn't just
slapping whatever crap you like onto a website. Without editing,
marketing, and publicity a writer might as well put her fiction under
her pillow and wait for the tooth fairy to transform it into a gold.
Any exciting new projects on the horizon for you?
I'm hoping to edit another horror anthology but there's no deal yet
and
Terri Windling and I hope to do a third YA anthology together but
there's no deal on that either. And of course YBFH #18.
Ughhh.
If there were any writer you wished you could have worked with,
who
would it be?
I'm assuming you mean someone dead, as there's always the
possibility
I'll be working some day with anyone alive today. Tiptree in her prime.
Ted Whittemore. (I did work some on his novel Sinai
Tapestry when I
was an editorial assistant at Holt, Rinehart, and Winston but not as
much as I would have liked.)
What would you like your epitaph to read?
Hey, let's not get too morbid here. [smile] I'm gonna live
forever!